Thursday, October 18, 2007

The founders were indeed Christians

There is a new attack gaining ground on the left. That is the notion that america was not founded on Christian principles and that the foundeds themselves were Godless heathens. To wit the following letter and response to the Ft. Wayne Daily Punctilio (aka Journal Gazette):

U.S. not founded on Christianity

I would like to disabuse Sen. John McCain of the notion that the Constitution establishes the United States as a Christian nation. The legacy of the Founding Fathers, deists all, not Christians, is clear.

John Adams noted, “It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service (forming American government) had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven.” The Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams in 1797, says the “government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

I would invite McCain to point to the relevant clause in the Constitution establishing the U.S. as a Christian nation. McCain claims America was founded on “the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our Founding Fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights.” However, Thomas Jefferson observed that “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned.” Benjamin Franklin revealed that he believes Christians have always been persecutors.

If a person is unaware of what the Constitution says, he or she has no business running for office.

STEVEN B. TODD Fort Wayne

The Nation's founders were indeed Christians

Steven E. Todd claims that, because he was able to muster three or four quotes from the founders supporting his claim, the US was not founded on Judeo-Christian principles. This approach ignores the mountain of evidence to the contrary and gives undo weight to the few references Todd was able to dig up.

How does Todd square President Adams’s remark in a letter to Jefferson that the nation was founded on "the general principles of Christianity” with Adams’s Tripoli Treaty? How does he explain the almost universal presence of the Bible and prayer in schools, chaplains in Congress, missionaries paid for by tax dollars, Church Services held in the US Capitol for nearly 70 years? How does he explain Washington’s first inaugural address and his adding "So help me God" to the oath of office? Explain Washington's first Thanksgiving message? The list of letters, documents and deeds supporting the founders’ Christian beliefs is nearly endless.

Todd’s use of the Tripoli Treaty is odd on two counts. First, the Tripoli Treaty is perhaps the first example in our nation’s history that appeasement does not work. The treaty was forged with an earlier form of Muslim extremists, the Barbary pirates, in a misguided effort to stop Barbary piracy and enslavement of Christian sea crews. Second, the treaty was more a statement that America was not constituted as a Christian theocracy – unlike other Christian nations of the time Spain, England and Germany as well as the Muslim entities with which the treaty was formed – than a repudiation of or clarification to our First Amendment. In a lesson we continue to learn today, appeasing evil extremists is never a good idea. The treaty failed utterly. Barbary piracy continued until Jefferson sent the US Navy and Marines “to the shores of Tripoli” to route the pirates in 1803.

Throwing in Jefferson’s and Franklin’s quotes about atrocities that happened to have been committed in Christianity’s name in no way changes the principles upon which this country was founded any more than noting that Howard Hughes was a bit of an eccentric changes the fact that he was a brilliant businessman and aviator. The religious persecution noted here has as much to do with why America was founded in the first place as it does with any one of a long line of Inquisitions. At any rate, this argument is a red herring nothing more.

Todd’s ability to ignore the overwhelming preponderance evidence supporting our Christian heritage in favor of a miniscule few out of context quotes is truly breathtaking. Using the same logic, I suppose Todd would make the argument that because it has a row of resturants and a souvenir shop near the exit Disneyland is not an amusement park. Like the argument against “Christian founders,” you’d have to be willing to ignore all of the evidence.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

See http://toulonbaptist.com/foundingfathers.htm

"In his book Original Intent David Barton gives an impressive list of these founders that without doubt claimed to be Christian in their faith. I simply include their names and their positions. The chapter that this information comes from comprises about 15 pages of typed material. Below you will find a list of 79 of our founding fathers who embraced Christian principles. I would challenge someone to find a list 79 deist or atheists from among the founding fathers."
And From Big Ben...
Although Benjamin Franklin is not in this list and never claimed to be a Christian, he has left us a marvelous testimony of the nature of the people of America.

Franklin had previously explained to the French:
"[B]ad examples to youth are more rare in America, which must be comfortable consideration to parents. To this may be truly added, that serious religion, under its various denominations, is not only tolerated, but respected and practised. Atheism is unknown there; infidelity [a disbelief in the Scriptures and in Christianity ] rare and secret; so that persons may live to a great age in that country, without having their piety shocked by meeting with either an atheist or an infidel." Original Intent David Barton 2000 p 134

The Griffin

Default Answer said...

Nope, wrong. Read the "Jefferson Bible", where he stripped the magic and nonsense from the new testament, and kept the philosophies he agreed with. He was a deist, Franklin a deist. Many others, deists and atheists or agnostic. Yes, there were Christians there, of course there were, sheep exist everywhere, but the main framers were not Christian, and were adamantly against religious doctrine as part of the new government. Had the religious conservatives of that time won, the U.S. would not exists, and we'd be living in a country that belongs to the U.K. (that's right, they wanted to have the King control the new world). Wrong + wrong = wrong. Do your research. The U.S. is be definition an agnostic nation, and that is what makes us free.